Will you be upgrading to Windows Vista? [Archive] - Thieves-Guild.Net

btcentral

01.14.07, 09:33

Just a poll, to satisfy my curiosity :p
So, will you or won't you? And why?

To start it off, I voted no... After beta testing vista for a while, and playing around with the RTM I’ve decided it's a big no no for me!

Why? Well, as what most people would call a "Power User/Administrator" I found Vista's new security features infuriating! Within one day to do my normal tasks, I found I’d had to enter my password about 100 times… 100 times/day think how much time that could take up, and how much it could slow down your work! And to top it all off, at least half of the features of one of the programs I had wouldn’t work, as Vista will not allow you to save files to folders such as Program Files etc. without disabling *all* of the windows file/folder rights management!

At the end of the day, I’d disabled virtually all the security features, and what is the point in Microsoft developing what they call a “secure” OS, if you have to disable the security features, just to do your average tasks?

I’ll be using XP until/if they make Vista’s security useable… and if they don’t well, when they no longer support XP, I’ll be moving to Mac or Linux completely... or not using XP on the internet at this stage most likely Mac, as I love the features it provides, the interface and the ease of use, yet the ability to do *most* things you can do in Linux/Unix.

Anyways, just my $0.02, what are yours?

Liso

01.14.07, 10:27

kgambit

01.14.07, 10:40

I'm with Liso. I'll probably upgrade but definitely not right away. :D

btcentral

01.14.07, 11:06

lol, you'll probably have to enter your password to let the blaster worm run :p

Hi!

I will be upgrading to Vista. However, not when it first hits the shelves. We had XP a few weeks before it came out due to my husbands profession and it needed so many "de-bugs" I think we'll wait until some huge service pack gets released with it! lol

*sees repete of the worm blaster hitting the world!* :eek:

Liso

Liso

01.14.07, 11:08

lol, you'll probably have to enter your password to let the blaster worm run :p

*giggles* My luck, the worm blaster would change my password and I'd have to wine and dine it to get the new one! hehe

btcentral

01.14.07, 11:20

Haha, you never know!

*giggles* My luck, the worm blaster would change my password and I'd have to wine and dine it to get the new one! hehe

lurchman

01.14.07, 13:08

I have a "wait and see" attitude also. And I am a long time Norton user, so I didn't want to use Windows security anyway. From what Ben says, MS has made it a pain to use. I'm not surprised. It's typical for Microsoft. I wish they made a versoin that was just a simple operating system. One we could add our own security, CD/DVD writing and editing programs, and whatever else. I don't like the extra stuff they add. And I don't want to use it. I'd rather use what I want to. Not what Gates wants me to.

Hamuram

01.14.07, 15:31

Like all the other windowses before. I only gonna do it when everybody does it. So that is when MS forces to imo. Anyway, when it does, I get it at my work and then I just take it home too, and it is legal! (due to the fact that I may work at home too).

arathalion

01.14.07, 18:02

i WILL NOT touch it with a 10' barge poll.

i think microsoft may have just spelt there downfall with this.

VISTA = MASIVE performance hit, due to there not alowing piracy and more. IT CANNOT MULTITASK ANYMORE due to these security features.

im worried that they will successfully get most ignorant home users to get it, and beable to keep dominating the market, but that is there only hope.
John Carmak condemned vista.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
a look at why vista fails.

i reckon that people might start moving to opengl and other platforms if they can... well, im hoping.

lurchman

01.14.07, 19:43

Nice article, arathalion. The answer is simple, don't buy it. The problem is, there are too many fools out there that buy anything new and don't know what there buying. I've preached for years, telling people to research things to do with PC's. 95% of them don't bother. This is what Microsoft is depending on. And the fact that nobody wants to upset Bill Gates. They might not get invited to the next party. So they all follow like sheep.
Like I said. I'll wait and see. Let the fireworks begin.

Jonesy

01.14.07, 20:04

Hi!

I will be upgrading to Vista. However, not when it first hits the shelves. We had XP a few weeks before it came out due to my husbands profession and it needed so many "de-bugs" I think we'll wait until some huge service pack gets released with it! lol

*sees repete of the worm blaster hitting the world!* :eek:

Liso

Same here. :P Already two threads concerning Vista, eh? Lol, this is truly something I could care less about to be honest... I will get it sooner or later though I am sure. For now I will stick with XP though... for a little while anyhow.

Fletchman1313

01.14.07, 20:34

I will not be upgrading to it, at least not until it proves stable and the cost of 2 GB memory drops down. While my guys could not get the blue screen of death, the thing ran dog slow.

If Vista becomes "required" I will probably switch to Mac and use Boot Camp to play games. Parallels also seems to work pretty well, and at work I will be getting a new Intel Mac to replace my P4 (which is a big gamble in a Mac-unfriendly environment) which gives me a cost-effective way to test it out.

arathalion

01.14.07, 21:40

thats the other thing with it. everyone says that they are looking for open source alternatives, but the second they are to reliant on microsofts tech support to do anything.

you dont have to switch to mac, just run linux. its free.

oh, and as to blue screens, well, apparently they changed kernel after the beta. my friend was thinking, this is ok, if abit slow.... but then looked at what they did to it afterwards.

apparently it cant just drop serveses and reload them, so if something dies, some little thing, you get the bsod.

Fletchman1313

01.14.07, 22:29

Well, for me I know next to nothing about Linux, but I'm fairly familiar with Macs. I originally had a Mac until 2000 when I bought a PC since my job was all PC anyway. I do know that you can do anything with the Mac OS that you can do with a PC except play Oblivion, but now with the Intel based Macs that can run Windows natively and software like Parallels which lets you switch between the two environments, that becomes a moot point. I got to play with a Mac Pro (which is a quad core) and my boss wanted me to see if I could get Windows to crash on it. So being the dedicated employee, I installed Oblivion on it and jacked all the settings on high.

It actually ran rather smoothly... even with multiple actors and an Oblivion gate present... but of course it's a quad-core...

anyways, the point is that I'm probably going to convert back to Mac when it's time for a computer upgrade. This may have happened regardless of Vista, but from what I've seen with Vista it's going to be more trouble than anything, and nearly guarantees my conversion back to Mac.

arathalion

01.14.07, 22:38

did you try dividing by zero?

well, if you are a mac user anyway, my only real problems with mac's are the cost and the microsoft entanglements.

i wonder how microsoft liked it when OSX went unix. omg they had to write there software for a *nix environment, and omg, people could port that to linux!!!1 not that we would sully our systems with that.... *goes of on an anti microsoft rant*

daggwood

01.15.07, 10:45

I am currently running Win XP. I only run XP cuz i made the mistake of formatting my second hard drive to NTFS and that is where i store everything so I can not get to my files if I go back to running Windows 98. Yeah I usually have less problems with 98 than i do with XP but that is just my opinion. And yes i know I can save my files to a cd or dvd then reformat but i just don't feel like doing that cuz i feel it is a waste of discs. So until I am forced to change to Vista I will not be doing so.

Sicar Eneco

01.15.07, 12:01

Missed the topic start, yet again.

I'd rather not upgrade to Vista, because of the freaking preformance hit.
But.
Why does there always have to be a but? *sigh*
I'm quite a gamer (Meaning I buy quite some different games from different genres in a year). I don't think I'll be able to hold out long without DirectX 10, which will sadly be Vista Exclusive. I currently have to write an article about it for school and damn. It'll be a big step forward in games. The overhead almost completly disappears (from the software side). Vertex shaders and Pixel shaders united in Unified shaders. Geometryshaders. GPGPU. The ability to have thousands of unique objects in a gameworld (For comparison: with D9c, we can have about 500 unique objects on screen. Above 500, the cpu calculation power is almost completly dead).

Now imagen this together with procedural gfx. No, I won't like buying Vista; but the new DirectX generation will force me to. Seriously, **** Microsoft.

arathalion

01.15.07, 17:40

openGL man, openGL.
dont be surprised if more people start using it instead of Direct3D.

cal1s

01.15.07, 17:44

obviously carmack will .. :)
openGL man, openGL.
dont be surprised if more people start using it instead of Direct3D.

arathalion

01.15.07, 17:52

good old carmak. he's condemned vista, unfortunately, he did it in a nice way.

ball lightning

01.15.07, 19:59

Not untill 2008.

btcentral

01.16.07, 03:50

It can't multitask? Wow. Microsoft have now gone from Annoying, to just plain Stupid IMHO.

VISTA = MASIVE performance hit, due to there not alowing piracy and more. IT CANNOT MULTITASK ANYMORE due to these security features.

Yay, another potential Mac user :p - I love Mac personally - so simple to use/configure, a nice interface etc. but there are still some things I have to use Windows for :(

As for 2GB memory, it's not *that* expensive anymore... I got DDR2 PC2-6400 Unbuffered Dual Channel RAM (5-5-5) for £140 (Approx $273 currently) the other day, then an extra £5 ($9.75 ish) for a heatsink... Which IMHO isn't too bad, compared to what you can pay for that sort of thing!

I will not be upgrading to it, at least not until it proves stable and the cost of 2 GB memory drops down. While my guys could not get the blue screen of death, the thing ran dog slow.

If Vista becomes "required" I will probably switch to Mac and use Boot Camp to play games. Parallels also seems to work pretty well, and at work I will be getting a new Intel Mac to replace my P4 (which is a big gamble in a Mac-unfriendly environment) which gives me a cost-effective way to test it out.

You really think some clever person won't "port" this to XP? :p

but the new DirectX generation will force me to. Seriously, **** Microsoft.

arathalion

01.16.07, 03:53

You really think some clever person won't "port" this to XP?well, transgameing has already done it with linux for every version of directx so far.

who the hell is voting yes?

btcentral

01.16.07, 04:02

MS are obviously creating forum accounts to try and sway the poll :p

well, transgameing has already done it with linux for every version of directx so far.

who the hell is voting yes?

arathalion

01.16.07, 04:04

how dare they, where did those fake emails go...

cal1s

01.16.07, 07:38

in fact, we actually have two members from microsoft.com here :)

cal1s
MS are obviously creating forum accounts to try
and sway the poll :p

arathalion

01.16.07, 07:54

lol, k, that explains the extra 2 votes then.

btcentral

01.17.07, 04:02

roflmao! Well, that explains everything :p

in fact, we actually have two members from microsoft.com here :)

cal1s

McPhearsom

01.18.07, 21:59

I'm still very much a Mac user, the ONLY reason I use windows is to play games (built myself a nice little gaming PC). I don't see games shifting over to MacOS so i'm stuck with Windows, although in the future I plan to build/buy something which will run MacOS X and still provide all my gaming needs with Vista.

Aside from lack of games support the only problem I have with Macs is that you can't just build a decent Mac using standard parts, SLi for example isn't there. All I want is an ultimate gaming rig that runs MacOS X so I can simply switch OS for games and switch back for everything else, I don't want all of vista's features just for playing games and the 'improved' security is hardly going to impress someone who's been using MacOS for over 10 years. For now though it looks like I will be buying Vista, just so I can at least run every app that doesn't run on MacOS.

(also the Mac Pro isn't quad core, it's 2x dual core CPUs. The gaming performace is typically based on the graphics cards and it's unlikely that Oblivion will even be using the second CPU at all. Unless you're using 2x 8800GTXs or have a slow CPU the bottleneck for FPS is nearly always down to the graphics card, more so with higher resolutions)

arathalion

01.18.07, 22:40

http://transgaming.com
http://transgaming.org

you dont need windows to play games.

and before people go "omg, i have to pay for that" 1)you pay for windows. linux is open sources, you are still paying less.
2) dl from cvs is free. you just have to compile it yourself (should have GNU MAKE, so it should be easy)

http://transgaming.org/cvs/

Draconix

01.20.07, 16:12

1)You pay for windows.

I'll freely admit that in my loathing of corporate America and its monopolizing of the PC OS software industry, I haven't paid for windows since 3.1, and that was only because the internet was in its infancy then.

I may try out Vista for awhile, when I can for free. Which I imagine will only take a few months at most from it's release.

If I don't like what I experience, I'll go back to XP, which works just fine in the slimmed down version I created (I made an install that doesn't include the features I don't use).

That's the beauty of multiple hard drives and dual-booting. Who knows, maybe once Vista gets to the point that I can customize it like I did XP, I'll really get to like it. DirectX10 sure sounds nice.....