windows and vista. rrchat offtopic

[arathalion]

ok, if you look at the times from the on topic rouges roost chat logs, you will notice that a few hours have past. during witch the main topic was other games and sweet nothings. the game mostly talked about was c&c 3, and it was a continuation of what is in this thread. (http://www.thieves-guild.net/forum/showthread.php?t=391)

but the other large topic was at the end, when the numbers where dwindling, was on OS's, there makers incompetence, and vista being made of fail.

you dont want to read that (very understandable,) read this:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> [Courtesy of X-bit Labs] According to Microsoft,
a computer must meet the following hardware requirements to be touted as a Wind
ows Vista Capable PC:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 800MHz or higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 512MB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DirectX 9-compatible graphics card
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> This hardware configuration will only suffice fo
r the basic functionality of the new OS. To have the status of a Windows Vista P
remium Ready PC, the computer must have the following:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 1GHz and higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 1GB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Graphics card compatible with the Aero interfa
ce
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * HDD with a storage capacity of at least 40GB a
nd with 15GB of free space
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DVD-ROM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Audio subsystem
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Internet access

and this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

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the end transcripts:
Jan 09 23:14:21 <Erroneous> could I get some info about the site?
Jan 09 23:14:28 <lurchman> A the dinner table
Jan 09 23:14:37 <Liso66> what would u lioke to know Erron?
Jan 09 23:14:52 <Liso66> like
Jan 09 23:15:25 <lurchman> whos erron
Jan 09 23:15:36 <Liso66> Erroneous
Jan 09 23:15:51 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:15:54 <Liso66> what info would you like Erroneous?
Jan 09 23:16:14 <lurchman> yes tell us
Jan 09 23:16:35 <Erroneous> every time I tries to login from a host, not run
ning win*, I get this domain whitelist error. So, just: How do I get rid of it?
Jan 09 23:16:44 <lurchman> Did you scare him away liso
Jan 09 23:17:00 <Liso66> hehe i'm not that scary!
Jan 09 23:17:16 <Croaker> ...i wouldnt doubt it o.o
Jan 09 23:17:21 <Liso66> Lurchman can u field this one? i'm not that tech
y
Jan 09 23:17:33 <arathalion> is it in german?
Jan 09 23:17:35 <lurchman> I think it's Liso 's medal. It's causing interfe
rence
Jan 09 23:17:55 <Liso66> lol or my new crown I get made of alluminim foil
!
Jan 09 23:18:26 <lurchman> Neither am I
Jan 09 23:18:44 <Liso66> I'm not clear what your asking Erron
Jan 09 23:18:47 <lurchman> Where are you trying to log on from
Jan 09 23:18:54 <Croaker> She taught me how to hang, and I taught her how
to dangle.
Jan 09 23:19:02 <Liso66> eeew
Jan 09 23:19:09 <Croaker> what?
Jan 09 23:19:13 <Erroneous> From my Macbook..
Jan 09 23:19:15 <Croaker> lol its forest gump
Jan 09 23:19:33 <Croaker> why did liso say eeew?
Jan 09 23:19:43 <arathalion> is the mesage in german?
Jan 09 23:19:48 <Liso66> ahh they use a Mac, then i am clueless as I kno
w nothing about that
Jan 09 23:19:57 <Croaker> and thats nasty?
Jan 09 23:19:58 <Croaker> lol
Jan 09 23:20:06 <lurchman> Are you trying to use the site or another way
Jan 09 23:20:12 <Erroneous> workes great from the xp..
Jan 09 23:20:31 <Liso66> maybe it is a Mac conflict?
Jan 09 23:20:38 <Erroneous> nope
Jan 09 23:20:42 <arathalion> is the domain whitelist error in german?
Jan 09 23:20:47 <Erroneous> nope
Jan 09 23:20:56 <lurchman> Possible. Everything caters to windows
Jan 09 23:21:07 <Liso66> that would be typical
Jan 09 23:21:14 <arathalion> you connect from the same ip?
Jan 09 23:21:20 <arathalion> service provider?
Jan 09 23:21:24 <arathalion> router?
Jan 09 23:21:41 <arathalion> is the only difference the computer
Jan 09 23:22:07 <lurchman> Are you logging in from the web site or anotherc
hat service
Jan 09 23:22:24 <arathalion> ...
Jan 09 23:22:27 <Erroneous> nope, the only diffrence is the os
Jan 09 23:22:36 <arathalion> the os?
Jan 09 23:22:47 <Erroneous> oh.. sorry
Jan 09 23:22:47 <arathalion> you running osx from your pc?
Jan 09 23:22:52 <Erroneous> the OS
Jan 09 23:23:08 <lurchman> Then it might tjust be a Mac thing
Jan 09 23:23:20 <arathalion> i know what you meen, but are you running OSX fr
om a mac
Jan 09 23:23:22 <Erroneous> nope, but I got more then one computer
Jan 09 23:23:28 <arathalion> ok
Jan 09 23:23:38 <arathalion> OSX yes?
Jan 09 23:23:59 <arathalion> what web browser?
Jan 09 23:24:08 <lurchman> OK, this PC , is it hooked up to a business or h
ome
Jan 09 23:24:08 <Erroneous> firefox
Jan 09 23:24:20 <Erroneous> home
Jan 09 23:24:25 <arathalion> both OS's?
Jan 09 23:25:44 <Liso66> this is all way to techy for me. I'll just watch
and maybe learn hehe
Jan 09 23:25:50 <Erroneous> Same pc, two OS, Gentoo and Windowsxp. xp = good
, gentoo = nope, and on my macbook I get the same as on gentoo
Jan 09 23:25:58 <lurchman> Well, you got me. I know very little on how this
stuff.
Jan 09 23:26:01 <arathalion> gentoo
Jan 09 23:26:10 <arathalion> what im currently useing
Jan 09 23:26:10 <lurchman> works
Jan 09 23:26:21 <Erroneous> odd
Jan 09 23:26:41 <arathalion> ok, do you have automatic notification on?
Jan 09 23:26:58 <arathalion> from the site
Jan 09 23:27:17 <arathalion> if so, can you get onto the site from a link in
an email
Jan 09 23:28:15 <arathalion> are you blacklisting sites?
Jan 09 23:28:34 <arathalion> are you connecting through a gateway or proxy?
Jan 09 23:28:39 <Erroneous> now when you say it..
Jan 09 23:29:40 <Erroneous> nope, not really
Jan 09 23:29:55 <arathalion> no to blacklising?
Jan 09 23:30:02 <arathalion> gateway or proxy?
Jan 09 23:30:16 <arathalion> who else uses your network
Jan 09 23:30:35 <arathalion> who set up the internet conection
Jan 09 23:30:47 <arathalion> no, if it works in windows
Jan 09 23:30:54 <arathalion> ...
Jan 09 23:31:04 <arathalion> whitelist error
Jan 09 23:31:10 <arathalion> is it an internal page?
Jan 09 23:31:25 <arathalion> if its on thieves-guild could you link me
Jan 09 23:31:41 <Erroneous> well. I can't login..
Jan 09 23:31:57 <Erroneous> so it can be any member page
Jan 09 23:32:01 <arathalion> try to logon
Jan 09 23:32:14 <arathalion> and then post the address bar
Jan 09 23:32:18 <lurchman> you can't log in to the thieves guild?
Jan 09 23:32:45 <Erroneous> gosh
Jan 09 23:33:14 <Erroneous> no problem any more..
Jan 09 23:33:17 <arathalion> im thinking its a problem with your computer, bu
t i want to make sure
Jan 09 23:33:19 <arathalion> ah
Jan 09 23:33:21 <arathalion> and it works
Jan 09 23:33:23 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:33:26 <Erroneous> yes
Jan 09 23:33:38 <Liso66> Go Arath!!! :P
Jan 09 23:34:03 <Erroneous> guess what
Jan 09 23:34:17 <arathalion> i didnt do anything
Jan 09 23:34:20 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:34:22 <Erroneous> nope
Jan 09 23:34:25 <Erroneous> I id
Jan 09 23:34:26 <lurchman> what
Jan 09 23:34:26 <Erroneous> did
Jan 09 23:34:32 <Liso66> oh i was half looking lol
Jan 09 23:34:39 <arathalion> i got an error that read this for a while
Jan 09 23:34:40 <arathalion> Damit POST-Anfragen über diese Domain abgesetzt
werden können, muss der Administrator diese Domain in die Liste der zusätzlichrlaubten Domains für die Datenübermittlung (Post Referrer Whitelist) aufnehmen.
Jan 09 23:34:48 <arathalion> what did you do erro
Jan 09 23:34:52 <arathalion> ???
Jan 09 23:35:05 <Erroneous> I added those damn ws at the beginginglkjhgf
Jan 09 23:35:14 <Erroneous> >.>
Jan 09 23:35:35 <arathalion> lol what
Jan 09 23:35:54 <Erroneous> you know www..
Jan 09 23:35:59 <arathalion> i think we had the same error for a while
Jan 09 23:36:13 <arathalion> yea
m star wars will be in C&C3 >.> wierd...the dude who played lando calrissian fro
Jan 09 23:36:24 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:36:49 <Croaker> and Michael Ironside is in it
Jan 09 23:36:57 <arathalion> dont know him
Jan 09 23:37:18 <Croaker> he plays as uh...wait lemme think..lol
Jan 09 23:37:51 <Croaker> he plays the leitenant that Johnny Rico follows
in Starship Troopers until he dies
Jan 09 23:38:21 <lurchman> Is Tom Cruise in it?
Jan 09 23:38:29 <arathalion> havent seen starship troopers

[arathalion]

Jan 09 23:38:36 <arathalion> lol why
Jan 09 23:38:42 <lurchman> I mean C&C 3
Jan 09 23:39:26 <Croaker> not that ive heard...lol
Jan 09 23:39:41 <lurchman> Good, then I'll play it
Jan 09 23:39:49 <Liso66> doing my own techy help on the guild site lol
Jan 09 23:40:02 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:40:11 <Croaker> he is not listed on the cast :P lol, so yea..
Jan 09 23:40:11 * Erroneous is now known as SegF
Jan 09 23:40:15 <lurchman> what are you doing?
Jan 09 23:40:53 <Croaker> just looking stuff up...and reading, lol
Jan 09 23:41:31 <arathalion> ima browsing some walls
Jan 09 23:41:46 <Liso66> hekping kgambit
Jan 09 23:41:58 <Croaker> hekping...nice
Jan 09 23:41:59 <Liso66> the chat is not working for him.
Jan 09 23:42:11 <Liso66> i think I figured out why
Jan 09 23:42:14 <arathalion> is he useing the java client
Jan 09 23:43:03 <Liso66> well that was the issue I believe, he didn't hav
e it installed
Jan 09 23:43:23 <Liso66> or XP has blocked it as an untrusted site. It di
d it to me
Jan 09 23:43:36 <arathalion> heh
Jan 09 23:43:39 <arathalion> xp
Jan 09 23:43:56 <arathalion> tell him to try mIRC
Jan 09 23:44:11 <arathalion> not sure how starting stuff goes with it
Jan 09 23:44:11 <Liso66> gotta love the pain in the butt security that on
ly screws the user over
Jan 09 23:44:40 <Liso66> the registery is a pain in the butt to!!
Jan 09 23:44:40 <arathalion> but its / join #thieves-guild.net to join the ch
annel after he is on quakenet
Jan 09 23:44:55 <arathalion> quakenet should be on a list
Jan 09 23:45:02 <Liso66> he would hnave to go download and install irc th
en to lol
Jan 09 23:45:06 <arathalion> no space between the / and the join
Jan 09 23:45:22 <Croaker> hehe
Jan 09 23:45:29 <Croaker> like that Michele?
Jan 09 23:45:53 * Liso66 is now known as Michele
Jan 09 23:45:53 <Croaker> or not
Jan 09 23:45:58 <Michele> lol
Jan 09 23:46:12 <Croaker> >.> nudging is fun
Jan 09 23:46:20 <arathalion> ...
Jan 09 23:46:30 <Michele> there temptation is gone to send me a nudge
Jan 09 23:46:54 <Croaker> eh?
Jan 09 23:46:58 <Croaker> YOU SIGNED OUT
Jan 09 23:47:06 <lurchman> Even with java installed, you have to make sure
Windows isn't putting the stops on it
Jan 09 23:47:07 <Michele> noticed that did ya? :P
Jan 09 23:47:12 <Croaker> or blocked me >.>
Jan 09 23:47:13 <Croaker> lol
Jan 09 23:47:15 <Michele> yes I told him how
Jan 09 23:47:22 <Michele> no logged out
Jan 09 23:47:26 <Croaker> i see
Jan 09 23:47:37 <arathalion> yeah, but to use the java client on the site, yo
u have to download it, you just dont see it doing that
Jan 09 23:47:46 <Michele> I told kgambit how to check if the site has been
blocked and how to un do it
Jan 09 23:48:09 <Michele> I also gave him a direct link to dl it
Jan 09 23:48:12 <Michele> the one i used
Jan 09 23:48:15 <Michele> http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp
Jan 09 23:48:26 <lurchman> Excellent
Jan 09 23:48:27 * SegF has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
Jan 09 23:48:30 <Croaker> lurch, get nudges in this so i can nudge michele
Jan 09 23:48:32 <Michele> when it comes to XP I'm purdy smart lol
Jan 09 23:48:37 <Croaker> *evil grin*
Jan 09 23:48:52 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:48:58
Jan 09 23:49:12 <lurchman> That you is
Jan 09 23:49:16 No such command.
Jan 09 23:49:31 <Michele> used to know 89 and ME well to. but been to lo
ng hehe
Jan 09 23:49:53 <arathalion> lol
Jan 09 23:49:59 <lurchman> None of this stuff lasts long enough to learn
Jan 09 23:50:04 <Michele> Arath my hubby is a Sr computer technician I get
free classes lol
Jan 09 23:50:13 <arathalion> i worked with the dep. of edu. on there it team
Jan 09 23:50:26 <arathalion> my boss went out to one school
Jan 09 23:50:33 <arathalion> and they had 98
Jan 09 23:50:54 <arathalion> he was like wtf? how do i join stuff to a domain
Jan 09 23:50:57 <Michele> still using 98?
Jan 09 23:51:06 <arathalion> that was ... 2 years ago
Jan 09 23:51:16 <arathalion> i think they got a new lot
Jan 09 23:51:18 <Michele> ahh places like that switch slowly
Jan 09 23:51:30 <Michele> so do banks
Jan 09 23:51:36 <lurchman> When are they supposed to come out Vista
Jan 09 23:51:39 <Michele> most just switched to XP pro lol
Jan 09 23:51:47 <Michele> this year
Jan 09 23:52:07 <arathalion> which country was it that told mirosoft to GTFO
when they decided to pirate windows?
Jan 09 23:52:26 <Michele> no clue never heard about it hehe
Jan 09 23:52:37 <lurchman> I read that MS is working big time with PC game
makers to unify things for PC gaming
Jan 09 23:52:41 <arathalion> VISTA...
Jan 09 23:52:57 <arathalion> microsoft should be shot
Jan 09 23:53:00 <Michele> yeah, I heard that as well
Jan 09 23:53:05 <arathalion> people should go openGL
Jan 09 23:53:08 <Michele> why Arath?
Jan 09 23:53:32 <arathalion> why openGL or the shooting
Jan 09 23:53:34 <arathalion> ?
Jan 09 23:54:03 <Michele> b/c it is the most widely used OS in the world?
and everyone makes there own software work with it? i think Gates cornered that
market and some others hate the fact he did
Jan 09 23:54:30 <Michele> you said microsoft should be shot I asked why?
Jan 09 23:54:44 <lurchman> If somebody else was on top, we'd be bashing the
m
Jan 09 23:54:55 <arathalion> no, we wouldnt
Jan 09 23:55:02 <arathalion> well, i wouldnt
Jan 09 23:55:16 <Michele> heck go Gates! he found a niche and ran with it
Jan 09 23:55:22 <Michele> can't blame him for that
Jan 09 23:55:24 <arathalion> the problem lies with them not doing anything ri
ght
Jan 09 23:55:29 <arathalion> no, he did that well,
Jan 09 23:55:36 <Michele> capitolism it it's best
Jan 09 23:55:43 <arathalion> but i dont like what they have done with vista
Jan 09 23:56:02 <Michele> Vista is still very buggy they have a lot of
work to do still
Jan 09 23:56:16 <arathalion> i didnt like any of there stuff before, cause it
didnt work right
Jan 09 23:56:26 <arathalion> but they have gone to far with vista
Jan 09 23:56:35 <Michele> I rarely ever have problems
Jan 09 23:56:40 <arathalion> ... are you talking about the beta?
Jan 09 23:56:48 <lurchman> I don't either
Jan 09 23:56:52 <Michele> yeah it is super buggy
Jan 09 23:56:54 <arathalion> they have re-writen the kernel since the beta
Jan 09 23:57:07 <arathalion> it have gayed it up further
Jan 09 23:57:12 <Michele> my husband beta tested it on his laptop
Jan 09 23:57:20 <arathalion> my friend did aswell
Jan 09 23:57:51 <arathalion> but after the beta, they re-wrote the kernel to
be more "secure" and to stop piracy
Jan 09 23:57:55 <lurchman> Well, this isn't Win 3.1 anymore. These OS's are
getting so dammed complex
Jan 09 23:58:05 <arathalion> but to do this they have ristricted to much
Jan 09 23:58:23 <Michele> yes, this is true. and the registery! omg lol
Jan 09 23:58:23 <arathalion> it doesnt multitask anymore
Jan 09 23:58:35 <Michele> wish kgambit would gimme an ujpdate lol
Jan 09 23:58:36 <arathalion> the registery is a joke
Jan 09 23:58:38 <Michele> update
Jan 09 23:59:15 <Michele> I have learned my way around it some. But it is
so touchy and u can not change anything!
Jan 09 23:59:17 <arathalion> you have anything in your cd-drive and apparantl
y it wont let you run a rather large list of programs
Jan 09 23:59:54 <arathalion> ...
Jan 10 00:00:04 <arathalion> didnt the comunists do this?
Jan 10 00:00:08 <arathalion> ...
Jan 10 00:00:09 <Michele> LOL
Jan 10 00:00:25 <arathalion> they have just placed to many ristrictions
Jan 10 00:01:00 <arathalion> i think developers need to start developing for
*nix
Jan 10 00:01:09 <Michele> hmm wonder if he is figuring it out or not? he i
s still not in here soooo,
Jan 10 00:01:13 <arathalion> cause if people do that then people will have to
move over

[arathalion]

Jan 10 00:01:32 <lurchman> Did one of you try the beta
Jan 10 00:01:39 <Michele> my husband did
Jan 10 00:01:50 <arathalion> i played with it a little
Jan 10 00:01:56 <arathalion> on my friends laptop
Jan 10 00:02:04 <arathalion> its kind of...
Jan 10 00:02:11 <Michele> hubby says Vista Beta sucks! and it needs a lot
of work LOL
Jan 10 00:02:42 <arathalion> tell him that they made it worse after the beta
Jan 10 00:02:53 <Michele> he said some of the stuff it can do is pretty co
ol, but the performance is horrid
Jan 10 00:03:10 <lurchman> Eeeek. I like Windows, but trying something of t
heirs that is beta. I don't know
Jan 10 00:03:22 <arathalion> dude
Jan 10 00:03:39 <arathalion> windows is buggy as hell even off the shelf
Jan 10 00:03:54 <lurchman> Let's just say, I looked at it from a distance
Jan 10 00:04:04 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:04:06 <Michele> until you get the 1000'a of mb's of critical upd
ates lol
Jan 10 00:04:15 <arathalion> oh,
Jan 10 00:04:19 <arathalion> bsod
Jan 10 00:04:30 <arathalion> if something fails, no matter how small it is
Jan 10 00:04:38 <arathalion> the system HAS TO BSOD
Jan 10 00:04:45 <arathalion> it cant just fix itself
Jan 10 00:04:59 <Michele> BSOD? in english please?
Jan 10 00:05:01 <Michele> lol
Jan 10 00:05:04 <lurchman> I guess I'm just so used to using windows
Jan 10 00:05:05 <arathalion> blue screen of death
Jan 10 00:05:18 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:05:23 <arathalion> i thought it was bad
Jan 10 00:05:23 <Michele> oh I have yet to get that with XP never unelss m
y hard drive was bad lol
Jan 10 00:05:25 <lurchman> I almost never get the BSOD
Jan 10 00:05:48 <arathalion> yes, XP was ok with that,
Jan 10 00:05:56 <arathalion> they where able to avoid it abit
Jan 10 00:06:06 <arathalion> but if you have used 95, then....
Jan 10 00:06:13 <lurchman> Last time I got it, was 3 years ago when my USB
board crapped out
Jan 10 00:06:38 <arathalion> i like linux
Jan 10 00:06:47 <arathalion> something crashes and you just restart it
Jan 10 00:06:56 <arathalion> it doesnt crash the whole system
Jan 10 00:07:04 <arathalion> and if it crashes, its your fault
Jan 10 00:07:10 <arathalion> it doesnt do it on its own
Jan 10 00:07:26 <Michele> afk a min kids need to go to bed
Jan 10 00:07:26 <lurchman> or hardware goes bad
Jan 10 00:08:01 <Michele> same here only if I ever had a hardware issue
Jan 10 00:08:38 <lurchman> Linux is all right, but it struggles to make thi
ngs work that are made to work with windows. Which is about everything
Jan 10 00:08:41 <Michele> afk for real this time lol
Jan 10 00:08:56 <lurchman> Yeah, sure
Jan 10 00:09:15 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:09:23 <arathalion> gah
Jan 10 00:09:24 <arathalion> no
Jan 10 00:09:36 <arathalion> the only things that you need from windows are g
ames
Jan 10 00:10:02 <arathalion> most people i know use windows soley for this re
ason and have said they would go to linux if it wasnt for this fact
Jan 10 00:10:05 <arathalion> and yeah
Jan 10 00:10:23 <arathalion> i think wine works better now
Jan 10 00:10:43 <lurchman> Sure, if it wasn't for the gaming all we'd need
is an old 486, unless your into video or 3D graphics
Jan 10 00:10:47 <arathalion> in anycase, a company called transgameing got wi
ne and created a app called cedega
Jan 10 00:11:00 * Croaker is bored
Jan 10 00:11:10 <arathalion> gentoo.org
Jan 10 00:11:14 <arathalion> play with that
Jan 10 00:11:15 <Croaker> :p
Jan 10 00:11:17 <arathalion> hours of fun
Jan 10 00:11:24 <Croaker> eh, lol.
Jan 10 00:11:40 <lurchman> lurchman is dancing nude to entertain croaker. D
on't look
Jan 10 00:11:49 <Croaker> AHHHHHHHHH
Jan 10 00:11:52 <Croaker> ><
Jan 10 00:12:07 <arathalion> but cedega makes almost all games work in linux
Jan 10 00:12:12 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:12:20 <arathalion> ... heh
Jan 10 00:12:22 <lurchman> see what complaining gets you
Jan 10 00:12:26 <arathalion> you want entertainment?
Jan 10 00:12:38 <arathalion> hehehe
Jan 10 00:12:49 <arathalion> <insert very evil laugh>
Jan 10 00:13:04 <arathalion> hungry, brb
Jan 10 00:13:21 <Michele> well I guess he gave up :(
Jan 10 00:13:49 <lurchman> you missed it
Jan 10 00:13:59 <lurchman> I was dancing nude
Jan 10 00:14:03 <Croaker> ...
Jan 10 00:14:05 <Croaker> to me
Jan 10 00:14:10 <Croaker> :(
Jan 10 00:14:38 <lurchman> Everybody went to wash their eyes out
Jan 10 00:15:43 <arathalion> back
Jan 10 00:15:51 <Croaker> done washing your eyes?
Jan 10 00:16:01 <arathalion> lol, no, i got milo
Jan 10 00:16:10 <Croaker> i see..
Jan 10 00:16:44 <lurchman> What browsers are you using
Jan 10 00:17:52 <Croaker> wait who are u talking to?
Jan 10 00:17:53 <Croaker> lol
Jan 10 00:18:03 <arathalion> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of
core OS elements in order to
Jan 10 00:18:03 <arathalion> provide content protection for so-called "premiu
m content", typically HD data
Jan 10 00:18:03 <arathalion> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this
protection incurs
Jan 10 00:18:03 <arathalion> considerable costs in terms of system performanc
e, system stability, technical
Jan 10 00:18:03 <arathalion> support overhead, and hardware and software cost
.
Jan 10 00:18:06 <lurchman> I'm really not sure
Jan 10 00:18:11 <arathalion> firfox
Jan 10 00:19:24 <Michele> guys I need to get out of the chat,
Jan 10 00:19:28 <lurchman> Did you just look tha tup?
Jan 10 00:19:29 <arathalion> ok
Jan 10 00:19:29 <Michele> I've been here for hours!
Jan 10 00:19:30 <arathalion> bye
Jan 10 00:19:32 <Michele> lol
Jan 10 00:19:41 <Michele> take care see ya all soon :)
Jan 10 00:19:45 <arathalion> bye bye
Jan 10 00:19:52 <lurchman> TTFN
Jan 10 00:20:02 * Michele has quit (Quit: Bye bye!)
Jan 10 00:20:14 <arathalion> The Vista Content Protection specification could
very well constitute the
Jan 10 00:20:14 <arathalion> longest suicide note in history [Note A].
Jan 10 00:20:31 <arathalion> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista
_cost.txt
Jan 10 00:20:34 <arathalion> read that
Jan 10 00:21:43 <lurchman> I've read quite a bit already. I'm leary of anyt
hing new by them, and I sure wouldn't buy it right away
Jan 10 00:22:13 <arathalion> well, that talks about how they have killed it j
ust so you cant copy stuff
Jan 10 00:22:17 <lurchman> I'd have to wait some time and see what happens
afterthe smoke clears
Jan 10 00:22:54 <lurchman> I'm sure, using their software, which I don't
Jan 10 00:23:30 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 00:23:34 <arathalion> i wont touch it
Jan 10 00:23:34 <lurchman> Audio, video, I use separate programs
Jan 10 00:24:11 <lurchman> Like I said, I'm just used to it. Hate to have t
o learn something new
Jan 10 00:24:12 <arathalion> im hoping that this will cause everyone to go (h
ay, windows is pretty crappy, maby we should go open source
Jan 10 00:24:23 <arathalion> to bad
Jan 10 00:24:42 <arathalion> if you stay with microsoft they will make you le
arn something new
Jan 10 00:24:57 <arathalion> they are changeing everything around to make it
more "user friendly"
Jan 10 00:25:06 <arathalion> i had a look at office 2007....
Jan 10 00:25:09 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:25:14 <arathalion> completely different
Jan 10 00:25:37 <arathalion> and microsoft being microsoft, they wont let you
keep using the same software
Jan 10 00:25:42 <lurchman> Well, part of it is, along with using it. I'm us
ed to fixing it. Figuring out whats wrong and working around it
Jan 10 00:25:46 <Croaker> night pplz
Jan 10 00:25:54 <arathalion> ight
Jan 10 00:25:56 <arathalion> night
Jan 10 00:25:57 <lurchman> Nite, nite
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Jan 10 00:26:27 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 00:26:32 <arathalion> you would have to be
Jan 10 00:26:41 <lurchman> I definately won't go Apple
Jan 10 00:26:45 <arathalion> nah
Jan 10 00:26:47 <arathalion> dont do that
Jan 10 00:26:57 <arathalion> there os is a little better now that its *nxi
Jan 10 00:27:03 <lurchman> Had a real bad experience with them]
Jan 10 00:27:04 <arathalion> but not much
Jan 10 00:27:07 <arathalion> oh?
Jan 10 00:28:23 <lurchman> Yeah, bought my kid the Apple IIE, paid well ove
r $2,400 at the tome. Six months later the next one came out.
Jan 10 00:28:33 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 00:28:36 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:28:41 <arathalion> they are a little pricy
Jan 10 00:28:46 <lurchman> And then it was like the IIE didn't exist anymor
e

[arathalion]

Jan 10 00:28:54 <arathalion> im assuming thats us$
Jan 10 00:28:55 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 00:28:57 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:29:00 <lurchman> Yes
Jan 10 00:29:00 <arathalion> that can happen
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Jan 10 00:29:31 <arathalion> irashai
Jan 10 00:29:37 <arathalion> i spelt that wrong
Jan 10 00:29:46 <arathalion> no i didnt
Jan 10 00:29:47 <lurchman> Well when your young and struggling to raise a f
amily, thats a big hit money wise
Jan 10 00:29:58 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:30:06 <arathalion> sounds it
Jan 10 00:30:08 <lurchman> Especially for a PC thats no good after 6 months
Jan 10 00:30:17 <Gauntlus> how's it going?
Jan 10 00:30:24 <arathalion> macs seem to alwasys be overpriced
Jan 10 00:30:29 <arathalion> ok, yourself
Jan 10 00:30:32 <lurchman> Hey going good
Jan 10 00:30:40 <Gauntlus> i'm alright.
Jan 10 00:31:00 <Gauntlus> did I already miss the open discussion?
Jan 10 00:31:10 <arathalion> kinda,
Jan 10 00:31:15 <Gauntlus> bummer.
Jan 10 00:31:19 <arathalion> we went off topic kind of quickly
Jan 10 00:31:26 <lurchman> I just can't trust them, plus I've had some deal
ings with their customer support since then
Jan 10 00:31:32 <arathalion> we are now talking about operating systems
Jan 10 00:31:38 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 00:31:49 <Gauntlus> ah. i'm using xp media center... it sucks.
Jan 10 00:31:50 <arathalion> have you tried microsoft customer support?
Jan 10 00:32:01 <lurchman> Yeah, it was pretty wild for a while there
Jan 10 00:32:22 <lurchman> Yeah, thats sunk pretty low too
Jan 10 00:32:30 <arathalion> you know how microsoft dont want to support 98 a
nymore?
Jan 10 00:32:38 <lurchman> Yes
Jan 10 00:32:50 <Gauntlus> is the logic there that everyone will just have
to go upgrade their OS?
Jan 10 00:33:02 <arathalion> did you know that they realese "security" update
s for it that screw it up
Jan 10 00:33:02 <lurchman> They don't want to support anything anymore
Jan 10 00:33:15 <Gauntlus> i did not know that.
Jan 10 00:33:15 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:33:19 <lurchman> So what else is new
Jan 10 00:33:30 <lurchman> It's that way with XP
Jan 10 00:33:38 <arathalion> yeah, friends mother downloads the updates and t
hen it crashes on bootup
Jan 10 00:33:48 <arathalion> no
Jan 10 00:33:58 <arathalion> these are perposeful sabortarges
Jan 10 00:34:07 <arathalion> thats not spelt right
Jan 10 00:34:12 <Gauntlus> you heard that microsoft is forcing nvidia and a
ti to moderate their release of new features on their video cards with DX10?
Jan 10 00:34:14 <lurchman> Been there, now I don't do the auto update anym
ore
Jan 10 00:34:27 <arathalion> how are they doing that?
Jan 10 00:34:40 <arathalion> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista
_cost.txt
Jan 10 00:34:51 <lurchman> Thats all based on the game thing they're workin
g on
Jan 10 00:34:51 <arathalion> also, what they have done to that
Jan 10 00:34:58 <Gauntlus> give me a few minutes i'll find the article.
Jan 10 00:35:19 <arathalion> heh, i use pirated XP, even though i have legal
software
Jan 10 00:35:29 <arathalion> i just do it out of spite
Jan 10 00:36:03 <lurchman> They're trying to coordinate a big luanch for th
is new gaming thing they're coming out with
Jan 10 00:36:15 <arathalion> dx10?
Jan 10 00:36:19 <arathalion> or something else?
Jan 10 00:36:25 <arathalion> gahh
Jan 10 00:36:31 <arathalion> they should just go openGL
Jan 10 00:36:53 <arathalion> it works alot better, it just requires a little
more codeing
Jan 10 00:36:54 <lurchman> It's more than DX10. Do you read PC Gamer?
Jan 10 00:37:00 <arathalion> nope
Jan 10 00:37:13 <arathalion> i havent read a magazine in ages
Jan 10 00:37:29 <arathalion> though i used to get an australian one called pc
power play
Jan 10 00:37:45 <arathalion> what was the artical called
Jan 10 00:37:53 <arathalion> its probably on there site
Jan 10 00:38:05 <lurchman> They had a big article in it about some kind of
program that is supposed to unite MS with PC game companies and hardware manufac
turer
Jan 10 00:38:50 <Gauntlus> i can't find the article... however i read an ar
ticle recently that discussed how microsoft would eventually be in control of wh
at features could be released on next generation video cards
Jan 10 00:39:03 <lurchman> It was part of a larger article on Vista
Jan 10 00:39:41 <lurchman> Right, thats all part of this grand scheme MS ha
s
Jan 10 00:39:51 <arathalion> yay for forums
Jan 10 00:40:00 <arathalion> http://www.pcgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196
46
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Jan 10 00:40:29 <lurchman> From what I hear, the game companies like it. Be
cause they're trying to compete with the consoles
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Jan 10 00:41:05 <lurchman> Welcome to the TG
Jan 10 00:43:48 <lurchman> Well, I think I'm going to sign off. Still have
some content work to do yet.
Jan 10 00:44:04 <lurchman> lurchman signing off nite
Jan 10 00:44:07 * lurchman has quit (Quit: Bye bye!)
Jan 10 00:44:20 * Gauntlus says bye to everyone
Jan 10 00:44:22 * Maxious (deleted)
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Jan 10 00:44:26 <arathalion> hay man
Jan 10 00:44:29 * Gauntlus has quit (Quit: Bye bye!)
Jan 10 00:44:32 <arathalion> ...
Jan 10 00:44:53 <arathalion> this gauntlus fellow doesnt seem to know if he w
ants to stay or go
Jan 10 00:45:03 <Maxious> lol
Jan 10 00:45:29 <arathalion> lurchman, this is the friend that i said had tri
ed the beta
Jan 10 00:46:21 <arathalion> so yeah, he has more info on it than me
Jan 10 00:46:26 <arathalion> ...
Jan 10 00:46:34 <arathalion> are there any pros to it
Jan 10 00:47:41 <arathalion> ???
Jan 10 00:47:46 <arathalion> is that a no
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.net
Jan 10 00:48:08 <arathalion> wb
Jan 10 00:48:26 <Liso66> wow ya'll still here? hehe
Jan 10 00:48:42 <Liso66> oh my kids are in bed!! yay me!!!
Jan 10 00:49:25 <arathalion> yeah, we continued our little discussion about w
hy microsoft sucks
Jan 10 00:49:33 <arathalion> and then why apple sucks
Jan 10 00:49:56 <Maxious> you say that now... let's see how cool the iPhon
e turns out tomorrow :P
Jan 10 00:50:14 <arathalion> iPhone?
Jan 10 00:51:14 <arathalion> and that was just the way the conversation went
Jan 10 00:51:17 <Maxious> they're making a phone of some description. like
everyone knows tomorrow they're releasing something... just not what
Jan 10 00:51:21 <arathalion> its lurchman that doesnt like them
Jan 10 00:51:30 <arathalion> i just think they are overpriced
Jan 10 00:51:44 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:51:51 <arathalion> some kind of pda probably
Jan 10 00:52:46 <arathalion> ...

[arathalion]

Jan 10 00:53:26 <arathalion> though they might have something special in mind
, so that it has a selling point
Jan 10 00:53:35 <arathalion> brb
Jan 10 00:54:09 <Maxious> being apple, they're probably going to sell it t
hrough normal stores and not have it locked to any one network.
Jan 10 00:54:36 <arathalion> ...
Jan 10 00:54:56 <arathalion> yeah, but it has to have something that says its
apple
Jan 10 00:55:02 <Liso66> sorry had a pm to read
Jan 10 00:55:05 <arathalion> ... maby gps
Jan 10 00:55:08 <arathalion> is ok
Jan 10 00:55:12 <Liso66> btw i replied to yours Arath
Jan 10 00:55:18 <arathalion> i saw
Jan 10 00:55:27 <arathalion> your welcome btw
Jan 10 00:55:45 <Liso66> :)
Jan 10 00:56:53 <Liso66> Maxious? where u here before? lol i am so typed
out!
Jan 10 00:57:11 <arathalion> lol, hes a friend of mine, the one with the vist
a beta
Jan 10 00:57:12 <Maxious> ehheh no. Arath brought in reinforcements :P
Jan 10 00:57:24 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 00:57:26 <Liso66> lol
Jan 10 00:57:44 <Liso66> I wish more showed up tonight. but it was fun an
yway :)
Jan 10 00:58:28 <arathalion> heh, well, asuming the red lines in xchat are pa
ges we have gone through quite a bit by ourselves
Jan 10 00:59:01 <Liso66> for the few that came in, it was rolling pretty
fast
Jan 10 00:59:19 <arathalion> yeah
Jan 10 00:59:26 <arathalion> more people can be bad sometimes
Jan 10 00:59:32 <arathalion> he #hal
Jan 10 00:59:38 <arathalion> that was moveing fast
Jan 10 00:59:51 <arathalion> there was a large amount of people in that chann
el
Jan 10 00:59:51 <Liso66> I just wish kgambit was able to get in here.
Jan 10 01:00:06 <arathalion> has he replyed to you tech help?
Jan 10 01:00:17 <Liso66> no I think he gave up
Jan 10 01:00:36 <arathalion> well, he isnt online atm
Jan 10 01:00:40 <Liso66> he logged out not long after getting aggrivated
with the entire situation
Jan 10 01:00:44 <Liso66> right
Jan 10 01:00:56 <arathalion> ah
Jan 10 01:01:05 <arathalion> lol, fair enough
Jan 10 01:01:15 <Liso66> he hides some time, but I always know he is on
lol
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> [Courtesy of X-bit Labs] According to Microsoft,
a computer must meet the following hardware requirements to be touted as a Wind
ows Vista Capable PC:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 800MHz or higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 512MB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DirectX 9-compatible graphics card
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> This hardware configuration will only suffice fo
r the basic functionality of the new OS. To have the status of a Windows Vista P
remium Ready PC, the computer must have the following:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 1GHz and higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 1GB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Graphics card compatible with the Aero interfa
ce
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * HDD with a storage capacity of at least 40GB a
nd with 15GB of free space
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DVD-ROM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Audio subsystem
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Internet access
Jan 10 01:02:09 <Liso66> that is specs for Vista?
Jan 10 01:02:52 <arathalion> yup
Jan 10 01:02:55 <arathalion> Microsoft is soooooo proud on the performance bo
ost of DirectX 10 by cutting backwards compatibility.
Jan 10 01:02:57 <arathalion> lol what
Jan 10 01:03:12 <Liso66> np i'm covered and then some lol
Jan 10 01:03:53 <Liso66> but I probly will not buy it until at least the
first SP 1 is released lmao!
Jan 10 01:04:07 <arathalion> ame engines using DirectX like Unreal start to S
UCK!
Jan 10 01:04:24 <arathalion> heh, they cut backward compatability
Jan 10 01:04:31 <arathalion> COMPATIBILITY*
Jan 10 01:04:59 <arathalion> heh, vista only games
Jan 10 01:05:07 <arathalion> i remember hering about that
Jan 10 01:05:40 <Liso66> oh well. it is not like we are forced to use it
lol there are other options. LOL
Jan 10 01:05:47 <arathalion> ahh
Jan 10 01:05:51 <Liso66> and i am in no mood to go learn a new OS hehe
Jan 10 01:05:54 <arathalion> you missed that bit of the conversatin
Jan 10 01:06:20 <arathalion> actually, microsoft being microsoft will try eve
ry leagal way of makeing you buy it
Jan 10 01:06:27 <Liso66> probly. I am always a little bit out of the loop
:( lol
Jan 10 01:06:59 <arathalion> they are known to sabotage there older OS's
Jan 10 01:07:09 <Liso66> I know folks using ME or 98 still. so I doubt th
ey will force you to buy it
Jan 10 01:07:23 <arathalion> Wine, you know, it's that stuff jesus turned wat
er into...
Jan 10 01:07:25 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 01:07:31 <Liso66> lol
Jan 10 01:07:58 <Liso66> hmm my 2yo is singing in his crib instead of sle
eping :(
Jan 10 01:08:08 <Liso66> it is funny to listen to hehe
Jan 10 01:08:19 <arathalion> oh dear
Jan 10 01:08:24 <arathalion> lol
Jan 10 01:08:36 <Liso66> he is singing Twinkle little star lol
Jan 10 01:08:42 <Liso66> our bed time song lol
Jan 10 01:09:04 <arathalion> methinks its time to look into openGL 2
Jan 10 01:09:16 <arathalion> you know anything about it maxious?
Jan 10 01:09:32 <Maxious> coding or using?
Jan 10 01:09:37 <Liso66> anyway. gonna go shower and veg a bit. maybe wat
ch some Food Network etc. lol you all take care :)
Jan 10 01:09:56 <arathalion> Accroding to Valve, this isn't going to happen.
Epsidoes 1, 2, and 3 are counted as Half Life 3 and officialy wrap up the series
.
Jan 10 01:10:03 <arathalion> interesting
Jan 10 01:10:07 <arathalion> k bye
Jan 10 01:10:09 <arathalion> both
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Jan 10 01:10:20 <arathalion> i havent found anything on it
Jan 10 01:11:54 <arathalion> is anyone using openGL 2
Jan 10 01:11:59 <Maxious> from what I remember later versions of opengl ju
st add more functions. which for 2.0 was mostly shaders.
Jan 10 01:12:03 <arathalion> and what are the difs between it and 1
Jan 10 01:12:34 <arathalion> ok, i heard that they stoped developing openGL a
nd when to 2
Jan 10 01:12:54 <arathalion> and that openGL needs a new partical thing cause
people are to lazy to code it themselves
Jan 10 01:13:10 <arathalion> which would be better to do in the game engine t
han outside
Jan 10 01:13:16 <arathalion> hence why it didnt have one
Jan 10 01:13:28 <arathalion> and so everyone went to d3d
Jan 10 01:13:31 <arathalion> brb
Jan 10 01:18:26 <arathalion> back
Jan 10 01:18:33 <arathalion> lol, its just us now is it
Jan 10 01:19:11 <arathalion> whops
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eves-guild.net
Jan 10 01:19:36 <arathalion> welcome
Jan 10 01:19:44 <snapperhead47> hello
Jan 10 01:20:01 <snapperhead47> i take it the chat is over already
Jan 10 01:21:16 <arathalion> yaeh
Jan 10 01:21:17 <arathalion> sorry
Jan 10 01:21:36 <arathalion> went offtopic quickly
Jan 10 01:21:38 <arathalion> he
Jan 10 01:21:45 <arathalion> i might post my chatlogs
Jan 10 01:21:47 <snapperhead47> np maby next time i'll get off work sooner
Jan 10 01:21:53 <arathalion> heh
Jan 10 01:21:55 <arathalion> well
Jan 10 01:22:14 <arathalion> we went of topic a good 2 hours ago
Jan 10 01:22:26 <arathalion> ... 2 and a half
-------------------------
and then we quit.

if you dont want to read that (very understandable,) read this:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> [Courtesy of X-bit Labs] According to Microsoft,
a computer must meet the following hardware requirements to be touted as a Wind
ows Vista Capable PC:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 800MHz or higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 512MB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DirectX 9-compatible graphics card
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> This hardware configuration will only suffice fo
r the basic functionality of the new OS. To have the status of a Windows Vista P
remium Ready PC, the computer must have the following:
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * CPU with a clock rate of 1GHz and higher
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * 1GB of system RAM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Graphics card compatible with the Aero interfa
ce
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * HDD with a storage capacity of at least 40GB a
nd with 15GB of free space
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * DVD-ROM
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Audio subsystem
Jan 10 01:01:38 <arathalion> * Internet access

and this:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

OTHER WISE, DISCUSS WINDOWS VISTA

[Hamuram]

Seemed nice. I cant join both next times either. I seem to be online when all the others arent...

[Liso]

Arath, You know what is amazing about that? You actually saved the chat log!!! LOL

[Liso]

Seemed nice. I cant join both next times either. I seem to be online when all the others arent...

Are you just avoiding us in chat? :p Do you fear getting slapped by a big fish? lol I don't bite! (a lot) :p

[arathalion]

most irc clients have loging options, i turned them on. the program did it for me.

[Hamuram]

Are you just avoiding us in chat? :p Do you fear getting slapped by a big fish? lol I don't bite! (a lot) :p

Nonono, I wish I could join but I am really occupied each time (or I am sleeping or I am obligated to do something else). I am sure there will be a moment I will bother you dudes on the chat for sure.

About that biting thing, since this is off topic I guess I can post it here, but I know a girl that starts biting me when she is a little bit drunk. She is polish and no she isnt my gf but anyways it is funny the first time but after a while (when she has bitten for like the 10th time) it becomes quite painful. I hope you arent such a biter :p.

[arathalion]

lol, i got bitten by a friend of mine. i felt her teath aplying presure to my arm, looked down, and just laughed. i could feel that she was bitting me, hard, but it didnt hurt.

[Liso]

Okay! Let's be clear. I do not "really" bite" it was a joke, hmm or was it? lol I'll just keep that a secret. :D

[Jonesy]

A yes...the conversation in which I got bored and Lurch started dancing nude... :eek:

[Hamuram]

ah so that was you. Cant you just have your forum name in there :p.

[Jonesy]

ah so that was you. Cant you just have your forum name in there :p.

I can, but that doesn't mean I have to. :D

[Hamuram]

I could have know that was going to be the answer...

[Jonesy]

I could have know that was going to be the answer...

Then why did you ask? :p