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arathalion
11.24.06, 20:47
well, being a long time member on other forums, ive noticed that the off topic section can be a great way to bring parts of the community to gather, as such i thought id try to get the ball rolling, so id ask who plays pnp adnd, other and others and for thoughts on these games?
i personally haven't played for 2 years (well, not properly anyway) as my group has split, (i think there still together but dont play cause of the amount of work theve had during the last to years). we used to play dnd.
ive been wanting to have a decent go at the oWoD, preferably VtM but my group was to used to heavy hack and slash stile dnd games, and got board quickly.
any one else?
i was very busy looking for a decent pnp d&d group for many years but i was unlucky. now i havent got the time anymore.
so im focusing on crpgs ... most favorite still today is of course forgotten realm crps, though rare these days ... i love bg and bg2.
and the oldschool games like eye of the beholder.
oblivion has a very huge potential but lacks deepness. morrowind is much more complex and less "action" ...
im still dreaming of bg3 :)
arathalion
11.24.06, 21:20
i started crpgs with nwn, a pitty really, cause i found bg hard to get used to because of the camera.
what did you think of the temple of elemental evil computer rendition?
i own the game. imho its madly difficult :)
but one day i will install and try it again :)
i started crpgs with nwn, a pitty really, cause i found bg hard to get used to because of the camera.
what did you think of the temple of elemental evil computer rendition?
I really got into BG. So much, that I had to buy a second game, because I wore all the dics out, on the first one. :rolleyes: The Elderscrolls has always been one of my favorites too, Morrowind was the best out of all of them. So many awesome mods.
arathalion
11.28.06, 01:06
oblivion didnt seem to have much replayability, it was just to small
I agree, even being a long time ES fan. It should be a great game, but too much was put into graphics, not game play. They need a mega-expansion to keep interest in the game. These plug-ins are jus to lure the console gamers. They do nothing for the game except add a few trinkets. I'm also a moderator, on an Oblivion site. And we still get quite a bit of traffic. Hard core fools like me. Waiting for Bethesda to do something worthwhile, intelligent, waiting, waiting, and still waiting.:(
arathalion
11.28.06, 07:56
i didnt really get into the es community, (this was back when i had dialup) but i read somewere else about how discontent the community was with it, i hadnt reallised how much bethesda had f**ked up... can i say that hear??? if not please delete this post.
i hear that the only thing that makes the game reaplayable at all is the modding community.
To arathalion,
We rather you didn't use that word. yes. It's cool though, I fixed it. sort of.
Anyway, I think most people expected the same thing from Oblivion mods, as they did from Morrowind mods. But this new CS, is more difficult to use. Not very user friendly. A lot of the hard core players have gone back to Morrowind, and the modding for it, is as big as ever. I even made a couple small mods for it.
arathalion
11.28.06, 10:21
kay, wont do it again (shouldnt be a problem cause i rarly do anyway, just in a bad mood today, sorry)
anyone play call of chuthulu (the pnp rpg, not sure if the pc game is based of it)? would you mind discribing it for me pls... friend says its verry lovecraftein... "imagen the worst thing you could possibly amadgin... well its worse than that"
McPhearsom
12.01.06, 03:53
I wouldn't mind having a co-op session of NWN2 online, although I don't think the campagin is worth doing as a team, it seems slow and 'easy', not like it was in NWN. Some NWN PWs or 3rd party modules can still be fun though, even if the game is a bit dated the fun gameplay doesn't age :)
I have LOTS of Oblivion mods running, combined they make the game seem a lot better than just the vanilla version (but then I like hardcore/realism, makes it more challenging and to me that's more fun). I can recommend some if you are looking for a change.
The big problem with Oblivion is once you finish it there's little reason to play it again, even with the mods (although I find the mods I use have changed it a lot now). What lets it down is as you say, little depth, it needs more to it, more quests, more variety, perhaps a bigger world. There should be enough there that you can keep playing it and still find more to do (but of course it has to keep the console gamers happy with simplicity and graphics, shame really). Co-op for Oblivion would really be fun. Another issue is that you can do everything at once, for example you can become the head of each guild without actually being a 'member' of the guild (doing all the mage's guild quests without actually casting a single spell youself) and you can do all at the same time.
Another game that has been interesting for me (although i'd be shot for calling it a RPG) is Dark Messiah. Now I know this isn't the best game ever and is basically a FPS dressed up to look like a RPG but what I find brilliant is how the game engine works, it really does allow you to do what you want, how you want, the real problem (apart from it basically still being a beta) is that is it far too linear, since it is basically a FPS. All you need now is for the Oblivion/Dark Messiah and maybe NWN to be combined and you could have one hell of a game. The closest i've seen so far is the new "Conan" game although with so little info on it it's hard to know if it'll be any good.
arathalion
12.01.06, 04:04
well, i had orrigonaly ment to talk about pnp games... but since weve gone down this road, ill recomend VtM: Bloodlines,.
who actually plays nwn2 cause they c\play dnd?
McPhearsom
12.01.06, 04:14
Well I wouldn't say NWN = D&D, sure it's similar but it's not the same. The problem i've had with PnP is that unless you're physically there to spend the time together it doesn't happen online, at least not for me, maybe it's because you expect something else from a computer game, but I think most of the time unless you have a game to occupy youself you won't pay full attention when communicating remotely. NWN makes it simpler since you're getting visual feedback although most of the time NWN is played without a Dungeon Master, unless someone volunteers for the job. DMing on a PW can be fun though (I've done it for a while) although often people are not willing to spend the time to solve riddles or think things through, they just want action...
arathalion
12.01.06, 04:28
online rp doesnt work for some, i can see that. but i dont really see why you have to do it online... the only reason i dont play anymore is because i dont have a group... as i belive i said above.
and i dont think that dnd is the best system for online rp. as you said, people like action.
RPG's I like/played include:
Final Fantasy 1 - 9, and Crystal Chronicles (don't have a PS2 only PS1 - but have a gamecube)
Nwn - The whole series.
Eve Online (http://www.eve-online.com) - Played for around 4 months... would play more, but it's quite expensive, and I currently have no source of income... no matter how hard I try to find a job :( - And whilst being at uni, I don't have spare money :p
RaceWarKingdoms (http://rwk1.racewarkingdoms.com) - 2D GUI based, point and click really... but with the opportunity to win upto $750 of game credit/month (Which can actually be sold for around $975 PayPal)... I have one of the best characters in the game (have all available upgrades)... but still am waiting patiently to win :p
arathalion
12.04.06, 02:53
ccp and white wolf have merged and are makeing a nWoD mmo... i might have a look at that
ccp and white wolf have merged and are makeing a nWoD mmo... i might have a look at that
Heh, I didn't know that, you learn something new every day, or so they say :p
arathalion
12.04.06, 04:47
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampire/topic.asp?fid=23753&tid=1971974
Cheers ;) - interesting read.
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampire/topic.asp?fid=23753&tid=1971974
great graphics... :)
game overall is disappointing..
dialog is monotone, not variations for excitment, concern, etc...
story is hard to get into....
NO character creation, no initial customization here..
advancement is a pain in the arse.. each level you get 10 "training levels" and in order to train anything,
1) you gotta find someone to do it for you
2) you gotta have enough "training points" and
3) you gotta have rediculous amounts of gold to spend your "training points" 1 pt of str costs 50 gold and 1 training point 5 pts of str costs 250 gold and 5 training points.... to advance in swordsmanship costs 5 training points and 2500 gold... etc... those are just examples...
RESULT: DO NO BUY THIS GAME!!!:eek:
this is my personal opinion and does not reflect the views of other staff of thieves-guild.net
I've played a few RPG's Not nearly as many as a lot of players on here or any other boards. Wait, is there any other boards? :D
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Dragon Quest
NWN 1 & 2
Final Fantasy (never online)
Diablo (never online)
Ultima and Ultima online
Icewind Dale
There could be somemore but atm there not coming to me.
I do play WoW some times. I keep my account open mainly to help with guild instances with my husband. I really rather just play an RPG
Outside of NWN, I tend to play KOTOR, Dungeon Siege, etc. Spellforce is also good. I also play MMORPGs like WoW and FFXI. Uh...oh yeah...speaking of Spellforce... RTS is also an amazing genre in my opinion!!! Long live C&C, WCIII, and SC!!!
arathalion
12.06.06, 20:13
never really liked War Craft 3... (every time i see the abbreviation i think wing commander... awesome game)
PEACE
UNITY
BROTHERHOOD
Hmm, never played Wing Commander but WarCraft III owns!!! Anyway to be back on topic...I also have Fable: The Lost Chapters...but in my opinion Fable is not that great of a game...the game really is not very long and there is not much to do... I had about everything maxed out and did everything there was to do in about 17 hours...bleh! Hopefully 2 will improve on actuall playtime, that is my major problem with the game.
arathalion
12.06.06, 20:28
yeah, wasnt much of a fan of fable.... they could have done so much more with your sister.... but no, its just kill her or not kill her....
oblivion didnt seem to have much replayability, it was just to small
Say what? I've been playing Oblivion for almost 600 hours now. LOL And I'm only on my 3rd character. :rolleyes:
I also joined 2 forum RPs that revolve around OB. I really get into The Elder Scrolls lore. It is so rich and what I miss in NWN is the world exploration factor. I can go anywhere on the map in OB, and I mean ANYWHERE. I can enter every single house if I will and I can definitely collect more loot in OB. LOL
TES and NWN are my two favorite RPG's. I also played the hell out of Morrowind. :o
Ive played way too many RPG's, I liked dungeon siege...DS 2 was a dissappointment...had a hard time getting into elder scrolls...Diablo and diablo 2 are always fun, they never get uninstalled, was really upset when i lost my 92 barbarion to the great computer crash of 2004. I found one called sacred that I liked, played it thru a few times. Fun once and after that its kinda old.
I was a hardcore EQ head, forced myself to quit because i realized I had no life and that had to end..i get sucked into RPG's easily, I work from home so i get alot of time to play...this can sometimes be a bad thing
arathalion
12.11.06, 20:07
i personaly dont like those games, they where just clickfests andyou didnt have to do much else
perhaps slightly oldschool, but I got into RPGs by playing betrayal at krondor. Yes, it was very simplistic, but I found it very enjoyable and would still happily play it right now. Has anyone else played it? The sequels (both official and unofficial) unforunately didn't hold up.
Arcanum and Planescape were also pretty good and very replayable.
I really didn't get into the RPG's until Daggerfall. I played them, but I got hooked with that one. I think it was the freedom of gameplay. My favorite was Morrowind, partly because of the game, and partly because I got into the modding.
arathalion
01.09.07, 20:28
heh, ive been thinking about having a go at some of those older games. i wasnt able to get arena to work properly last i tried though.
I have 640G of hard drive space, so I sectioned off 100G and run it under DOS 6.2 and WIN 3.1. That way I don't need some program to get them to run.
PS Here's some good news for ES fans. Bethesda is coming out with an expansion for Oblivion. It's called "The Shivering Isles", and it is supposed to have 30+ hours of gameplay. New characters, monsters, lands, etc. It's set for a Q2 2007 release.
I have 640G of hard drive space, so I sectioned off 100G and run it under DOS 6.2 and WIN 3.1. That way I don't need some program to get them to run.
PS Here's some good news for ES fans. Bethesda is coming out with an expansion for Oblivion. It's called "The Shivering Isles", and it is supposed to have 30+ hours of gameplay. New characters, monsters, lands, etc. It's set for a Q2 2007 release.
640 gig's of HD space? omg! You could build condo's in there! :D I have a measly 160 gig's total with 2 HD's lol
I re-installed on of my favorite RPG's this morning. (Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines) I've not played it in over a year. I'm going to kill off LaCroix in the end and laugh about it. He is such a blue blood pretty boy undead! :p
arathalion
01.10.07, 08:57
bloodlines is cool, have you tried offkorns pnp mod? it make the game more like the pnp game, buy changeing a few rules, and is awesome.
100gb for dos and win3.1? honestly, are you ever going to get enough stuff to fill that partition.
160gb over 2 hdds?
lol, i gots me 654gb (actual space, lurchman probably has a little less than that due to techincal stuff) over 3 hdds (only cause i decided that a 160gb drive was enough and couldnt be bothered forking out the extra $30 au to get 200gb drive.
i only have 399gb free though.
that reminds me, i need to set up that other computer with that tape drive.
bloodlines is cool, have you tried offkorns pnp mod? it make the game more like the pnp game, buy changeing a few rules, and is awesome.
offkorns pnp mod? More details please? I have no clue what your talkiing about? lol That game can be so buggy it is rediculous! I fear changing anything. lol
arathalion
01.10.07, 09:21
ok, 1 get the offical 1.2 patch
gahhhhhhhh, windows...
http://www.planetvampire.com/bloodlines/files/patches/
you might want to look at the unoffical patch, but i cant find alink. sorry, and personaly i dont use it.
but here, offkorn's pnp mod
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetvampire/topic.asp?fid=9644&tid=1552465
lol, that thread has been there for 2 years.
i think people have also relaced new skins and moddles for some of the clans he added.
basicaly it makes the game more like what it should be, buy changeing things to be closer to the VtM rules set.
When I built this PC, the hard drive I wanted was on sale. So I ended up buying two. :) I do a lot of video editing, so I wanted extra space. And the price was right.
Thanks Arath
I already did the 1.2 patch. And one of the player made ones. Which helps greatly with some bugs from 1.2. I had them both saved on my second drive for future use.
I will check out the other link for sure though. I played that game so much, I was worried I would wear out the disk! LOL just like my NWN2 disk :p btw Malkavians are my fav race!! omg they are so funny. Not to mention just insane!
When I built this PC, the hard drive I wanted was on sale. So I ended up buying two. :) I do a lot of video editing, so I wanted extra space. And the price was right.
And if all else fails? you can rent condo's! lol
Sicar Eneco
01.10.07, 12:35
Just to jump into the thread:
My biggest problem with Oblivion was that it's almost impossible to build total conversions. There are tons of bugs in the terrain and LOD, most of which are covered up in the vanilla version. Interior editing is compared to Morrowind totally lame. In TES3 interiors where made up out of floors, walls and cielings. In the 4th, there are only big chuncks available; kinda like the tiles in NWN. House interious are even worse, as there are only about 4 models for interiors. And let's not mention Bethesda, who gave me the impression they didn't gave a damn about the modding community.
Fable was a great action game. With RPG elements. Hardly worth being noted as RPG, in my oh-so humble opinion.
Never played Vampire. At it's release, reviews kept warning me about the load of bugs. I planned to wait for the patches, but lost my intrest.
I haven't been long around RPG's either. Started off with shooters but got bored quite quickly of the mindless fragging. I started looking for more story, more chance to influence both story and characters. I eventually found my way to Horizons (Alpha version). At release, it totally wasn't what I expected so I took my chances and headed off into the world of RPG's. I'm not sure what happened afterwards, although I doubt you care for my past experiences as a newb.
Also,
And if all else fails?
Use fire.
halloweenfoxy
01.10.07, 12:48
Wow RPG way to go where to start, Yes lets try the Pencil and Paper tabletops
- TBE (The Black Eye) DSA (Das schwarze Auge) forgotten realms
- Vampire the Masquerade (tabletop)
-Werewolf The Apocalypse
- Cyber Punk
- Shadow Run
- GURPS
- AD&D
- D&D
- selfmade systems on WoW basis
well so much for the Pencil and paper now lets see for the computer games
-Ultima series beginning with Ultima Underworld ending with Ultima IX Ascension
-Shadow Run series
-Baldurs Gate
-Baldurs Gate II
-Icewind Dale
-Icewind dale II
-Elder Scrolls III Morrowind +Expansions
-Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion
-NWN + expansions and premium modules
-NWN 2
Ugh this is far to much to be good for me am I addict?
Never played Vampire. At it's release, reviews kept warning me about the load of bugs. I planned to wait for the patches, but lost my intrest.
You can get (Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines) really cheap now. There is one patch "official" and several player made patches for the game, It is a bit buggy. And you must save often or else! lol I have gone through the entire game with out a hitch, I've also gone through it crashing at very pivotal areas.
As cheaply as it is sold now, It is worth it. The story has several endings. You have some unique race/character options, they all have very distint personallity types. There is no real personalizing your character as far as looks.
The story itself makes it worth while. I completely enjoyed the story line. A lot of twist and turns, Deceptions, even some romance (putting it tactfully) It IS very adult. the adult rating is just that. The quest are good, while some are even creepy.
That is all my opinion anyway. However, people are still playing it and buying it regardless of the reviews. the main issue is, the company went out of business shortly after the game came out. the game lost it's support. The community picked up the slack quite a bit though.
Regards
Liso
Wow RPG way to go where to start, Yes lets try the Pencil and Paper tabletops
- TBE (The Black Eye) DSA (Das schwarze Auge) forgotten realms
- Vampire the Masquerade (tabletop)
-Werewolf The Apocalypse
- Cyber Punk
- Shadow Run
- GURPS
- AD&D
- D&D
- selfmade systems on WoW basis
well so much for the Pencil and paper now lets see for the computer games
-Ultima series beginning with Ultima Underworld ending with Ultima IX Ascension
-Shadow Run series
-Baldurs Gate
-Baldurs Gate II
-Icewind Dale
-Icewind dale II
-Elder Scrolls III Morrowind +Expansions
-Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion
-NWN + expansions and premium modules
-NWN 2
Ugh this is far to much to be good for me am I addict?
Your only an addict if you admit it. :p
Sicar Eneco
01.10.07, 13:01
You can get (Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines) really cheap now. There is one patch "official" and several player made patches for the game, It is a bit buggy. And you must save often or else! lol I have gone through the entire game with out a hitch, I've also gone through it crashing at very pivotal areas.
As cheaply as it is sold now, It is worth it. The story has several endings. You have some unique race/character options, they all have very distint personallity types. There is no real personalizing your character as far as looks.
The story itself makes it worth while. I completely enjoyed the story line. A lot of twist and turns, Deceptions, even some romance (putting it tactfully) It IS very adult. the adult rating is just that. The quest are good, while some are even creepy.
That is all my opinion anyway. However, people are still playing it and buying it regardless of the reviews. the main issue is, the company went out of business shortly after and the game came out. the game lost it's support. The community picked up the slack quite a bit though.
Regards
Liso
Whenever I'm at my local gamestore again (which won't be in the nearest future anyway. To many games, totally no time at all *sigh*) I'll look around for it. I don't mind the adult or creepy stuff, I'm quite a fan of horror. Since my finger is almost glued to the quicksave button, saving regulary shouldn't be much of a problem.
Thanks for the info, another one added to my future credit spending list...thingy.
Whenever I'm at my local gamestore again (which won't be in the nearest future anyway. To many games, totally no time at all *sigh*) I'll look around for it. I don't mind the adult or creepy stuff, I'm quite a fan of horror. Since my finger is almost glued to the quicksave button, saving regulary shouldn't be much of a problem.
Thanks for the info, another one added to my future credit spending list...thingy.
JIC you would like to know. I got mine on amazon.com for $9.99 US lol very cheap for several hours of entertainment. :)
arathalion
01.11.07, 00:53
lurchman, im just wondering why you parted 100gb for dos and win 3.1. didnt they have 500mb hdds back in those days?
liso
"..."
"no, you stop"
"..."
"NO, YOU STOP!!!"
sicar eneco:
"My biggest problem with Oblivion was that it's almost impossible to build total conversions. There are tons of bugs in the terrain and LOD, most of which are covered up in the vanilla version. Interior editing is compared to Morrowind totally lame. In TES3 interiors where made up out of floors, walls and cielings. In the 4th, there are only big chuncks available; kinda like the tiles in NWN. House interious are even worse, as there are only about 4 models for interiors. And let's not mention Bethesda, who gave me the impression they didn't gave a damn about the modding community."
yeah, that editor was a bit... i started a total conversion, but it died as i had dial up at the time and wasnt able to keep up with the comunity, which i was hopeing would work some stuff out while i put together a team and some models, oh, and i didnt really get a team.
"Fable was a great action game. With RPG elements. Hardly worth being noted as RPG, in my oh-so humble opinion."
agreed, cept the greate bit, didnt care much for it myself. i think it was done for a... simpler... ordiance.
"Never played Vampire. At it's release, reviews kept warning me about the load of bugs. I planned to wait for the patches, but lost my intrest."
troika only releaced a 1.2 patch because a fan did... i cant remember who though. i dont know why im thinking dan... but yeah, still pretty buggy, and thats never going to change, but its mostly ok. you just need a lot of ram as its running the pre-memory leek fix hl2 engine, and so is slow in the hubs. still a good game though.
Someone mentioned Eye of the Beholder. I played that as well, i think it took up most of the space in my disk box, about ten floppy disks worth of excellence.
Was one of my first computer RPG's that i can remember, was about 13 at the time.
hehe it was me.
still one of my most favorites.
i still posses the original eye of the beholder boxes of all three titles :)
one day, i am very sure, i will install and play them again ...
cal1s
Someone mentioned Eye of the Beholder. I played that as well, i think it took up most of the space in my disk box, about ten floppy disks worth of excellence.
Was one of my first computer RPG's that i can remember, was about 13 at the time.
ball lightning
01.13.07, 17:43
I'm addicted to Oblivion, maily because of the free will and the endless quest you can do, i prefered the main storyline in morrowind because it was so 'usual', while the oblivion one is the 'save the world' type. But Oblivion has better graphics, houses, horses, 100's of other quests and better game design.
arathalion
03.03.07, 10:16
so, where do we talk about the greatest game ever, DEUS EX?
so, where do we talk about the greatest game ever, DEUS EX?
greatest game ever?
Quake :)
cheers
arathalion
03.03.07, 19:23
ok, quake was awesome, but come on
deus ex
best game ever.
hmm... i think we need a new thread
halloweenfoxy
03.04.07, 04:39
erm quake?
Quake is an RPG?
Wasn't this post about other RPGs?
arathalion
03.04.07, 04:45
hence my begging the best rpg ever thread.
erm quake?
Quake is an RPG?
Wasn't this post about other RPGs?
actually Quake was planned originally as an RPG by id software.
that's why the original Quake has "keys" to open locked doors, and other items that boost your skills.
but it ended up as being the first real 3D game in history and became probably the most successful FPS of all time.
cheers
arathalion
03.04.07, 04:54
thats interesting
didnt doom and wolf 3d have keys?
thats interesting
didnt doom and wolf 3d have keys?
yes those games had keys aswell. but they were not planned as RPGs. Quake though was ... you can read that somewhere on the id software page afaik. dont know though if they still have that info on their site but some websites on the net should have that info.
arathalion
03.04.07, 05:08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake
It should be noted, however, that by the time the game was released the specifics of the story had become relatively unimportant and somewhat disorganized. This is mainly due to a last-minute mix of two different game designs - John Romero wanted to make a dark fantasy hand to hand combat/RPG hybrid game while level designers Tim Willits and American McGee wanted to make a more futuristic, Doom-like game. Ultimately the Doom-like mechanics were implemented and many of the dark fantasy design elements were incorporated into the graphics and visual effects of the game.
So I got bored and am playing KotOR again... and I must say, in my opinion it still far surpases NWN2... and I'm not even a Star Wars fan! I just love the story and gameplay. I felt NWN2 lacking... hopefully the expansion will be a huge improvement. But I must say... I miss Bioware. :(
arathalion
08.07.07, 09:20
looking around for stuff on the q3 engine i found a game being written with it that is changing it so much that it looks like it might have nwn stile game play.
i just looked at the pictures
after i get a copy of the dark conjunction and have a go i might read the thread and post a link. (id do it now, but i cant be bothered finding a link)
http://qffx2-dev.de/filebase/shot0000.jpg
http://www.quakesrc.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7074&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=47300b25ef36f7db6c6c1 8da52324346
Sicar Eneco
08.08.07, 04:38
I miss Bioware. :(
NWN1 wasn't lacking then?
Also, I'm currently waiting for Infinity:The Quest for Earth (http://www.fl-tw.com/). And that while I hate sci-fi. The whole concept just appeals to me. An endless universe, a mature community (as long as the bloody EVE players stay away *sigh*), going everywhere you want (landing on planets/in cities/in stations is all real-time and player-controlled. Not with sudden loadscreens and all that), being able to simply build up a whole colony for your corporation, Shooter-styled combat, the whole chaos about desperatly trying to find earth, etc. It just got me hooked, sci-fi or not.
NWN1 wasn't lacking then?
Also, I'm currently waiting for Infinity:The Quest for Earth (http://www.fl-tw.com/). And that while I hate sci-fi. The whole concept just appeals to me. An endless universe, a mature community (as long as the bloody EVE players stay away *sigh*), going everywhere you want (landing on planets/in cities/in stations is all real-time and player-controlled. Not with sudden loadscreens and all that), being able to simply build up a whole colony for your corporation, Shooter-styled combat, the whole chaos about desperatly trying to find earth, etc. It just got me hooked, sci-fi or not.
Yes, NWN1 was lacking... mostly in way of character development and a sense of realism, however... NWN2 though, felt as if it was not a complete game, considering the ending and its horrendous epilogue video. NWN games typically have a bland, predictable and clichéd story line, which I am unpleased with normally. I like stories with twists, etc... As I said, I felt very fulfilled playing KotOR... I wish it was longer though. :( I'm not trying to bash on NWN2 in any way though, I liked the game... But I was expecting better.
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