4th ed

[arathalion]

cause this section is the closest thing we seem to have to a pnp discussion session, what do people think about 4th ed?

anyone got the books, what changes have been made? etc.

i havent been playing recently so i havent bothered.

[sirchet]

Here's my post on this in the thread I started where I too was hoping to get a few opinions other than my own.

http://www.thieves-guild.net/forum/showthread.php?p=12132#po st12132

I have the core books, and I'm still trying to digest them. It isn't that a few things are changed. It's more like many complete concepts are changed.

IMHO a cleric has become useless, or at the best an extra.

[arathalion]

lol sorry, must have missed that one.

[Jokerswyld]

Is 4th ed really worth getting? I mean.. back in the day when I started getting into D&D, I forked out a lot of hard earned summer job money to get many many AD&D 2nd ed books (which I still have kicking around somewhere). :p

Then 3rd ed came out, and like a good little drone, I went forth and started buying those books too. I also started in on the Forgotten Realms campaign setting books too.. love those! Then.. 3.5 came along.. and.. ok.. it's still 3rd ed.. basically, just plays a bit better. So more books were purchased.

Now with 4th ed.. I find myself not wanting to give the buggers any more of my money. On the rare occasion that I do get to play D&D now, we use 3.5 rules. There's even one DM I know who likes to run AD&D 2nd ed games.. :wtf:

I know there are significant changes in the way things are played.. I'm not too up to date on the specifics, because honestly, I've not been too interested. From what I've read, it seems kind of like they're turning D&D into a tabletop version of an MMO.. at least it looked sort of like how you level up characters in Diablo and wow.. you pick skills/talents.. which ones you can pick are roughly based on your class. Freeform is good and all, but I kind of liked the somewhat structured class aproach of how it used to be done.

Kind of went of on a tangent there.. sorry. :p

[arathalion]

one may note a trend in... well everything (at least game related) thesedays.

its all being dummed down.

first White Wolf killed the old World of Darkness in favor of the new World of Darkness.... its very freeform. more balance, simpiler systems.

4th ed dnd comes out and its supposed to be a heep less complecated and more freeform.

(i could go onto computer games (LOL CONSOLES))

everything these days is getting simpler and simpler for the average brain dead consumer.... basically i think that are trying to make their market wider as is the trend these days.

i dunno. rant rant rant.

[kgambit]

one may note a trend in... well everything (at least game related) thesedays.

its all being dummed down.

That was first reaction with 4E as well. Something like "OMG, they've made DnD into WOW! Wonder how long before the MMORG is ready to go?"

MMORGs are where the big money is these days. There's already a Fallout based MMORG in the works. (Would someone explain to me how can you possibly feel like you are in a post-apocolyptic wasteland with 50,000 screaming munchkin vault refugees around you?)

Just hope that somebody keeps developing XP and adventure packs for NWN2 or Dragon age because the next DnD based CRPG you see is NOT going to be pretty imo.